Hi Glenn,

I find it unusual that HEP will find an AlmaLinux list of much use in 
many circumstances.  Internal to CERN, and perhaps Fermilab and/or the 
various signatories to which HEP collaborations are getting AlmaLinux 
from CERN/Fermilab (along with any experiment/data analysis specific 
software that is required to be present at all collaboration sites), 
will there be additional INTERNAL list/s and/or support?  I fully 
understand that these sources would only be available to 
CERN/Fermilab/Collaboration-signatories -- but the existence thereof is 
important for those of us who do NOT have access to such resources.  I 
also fully understand that this is not the sort of "cradle-to-grave" 
support provided under vendor contract to many for-profit enterprises as 
HEP has qualified professional computer scientists and engineers as well 
as physicists who are well versed on systems internals.

Just curious.

Kind regards,

Yasha



On 12/7/22 13:01, Glenn Cooper wrote:
> Hi Yasha,
> 
>> Will CERN/Fermilab provide the same level of support to AlmaLinux that currently is provided for Scientific Linux?
> 
> AlmaLinux has its own support channels, so those are the way to go if you choose Alma.
> 
>> Will this list transition into an AlmaLinux list?
> 
> There are no plans for that. We'll continue to support Scientific Linux, and this list, until the end of upstream support in 2024.
> 
>> Very few of these have the general professionalism that was present on the SL list.
> 
> Thanks to all for the helpful answers and friendly attitude!
> 
> Yours,
> Glenn
> 
> 
> On 12/7/22, 2:11 PM, "[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Yasha Karant" <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> on behalf of [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
> 
> 
> Will CERN/Fermilab provide the same level of support to AlmaLinux that
> currently is provided for Scientific Linux? Will this list transition
> into an AlmaLinux list?
> 
> 
> I have looked at the non-vendor lists for non-vendor ports of production
> RHEL current (CentOS basically is a vendor port). Very few of these
> have the general professionalism that was present on the SL list. I
> personally have transitioned to Ubuntu LTS current production; one thing
> I sorely miss is straightforward answers that the SL list provided.
> However, unlike RHEL, Ubuntu LTS does support a larger selection of
> recent laptop hardware platforms and allow for the most recent
> production versions of particular end-user applications. Nonetheless,
> there are situations in which a RHEL current tested production clone
> would be of use
> 
> 
> On 12/7/22 11:53, Glenn Cooper wrote:
>> CERN and Fermilab jointly plan to provide AlmaLinux as the standard
>> distribution for experiments at our facilities, reflecting recent
>> experience and discussions with experiments and other stakeholders.
>> AlmaLinux has recently been gaining traction among the community due to
>> its long life cycle for each major version, extended architecture
>> support, rapid release cycle, upstream community contributions, and
>> support for security advisory metadata. In testing, it has demonstrated
>> to be perfectly compatible with the other rebuilds and Red Hat
>> Enterprise Linux.
>>
>> CERN and, to a lesser extent, Fermilab, will also use Red Hat Enterprise
>> Linux (RHEL) for some services and applications within the respective
>> laboratories. Scientific Linux 7, at Fermilab, and CERN CentOS 7, at
>> CERN, will continue to be supported for their remaining life, until June
>> 2024.
>>
> 
> 
>