I respectfully disagree.  There is *NO* RPM EL that does not originate 
with a corporate for-profit overlord -- CentOS and Rocky both are ports 
of the IBM RH source distro (required under GPL and Linux licenses -- if 
a corporate overload violates the GPL or Linux licenses, I suspect that 
any "Linux" from that corporate overlord would be something else -- just 
as Mac OS X is BSD based -- but is NOT BSD and not source per-se 
available nor allowed to be ported to any hardware platform that does 
not have an Apple logo).  Ubuntu LTS is has Canonical as the for-profit 
corporate overlord -- but Ubuntu is a port of a non-for-profit distro, 
namely Debian.  If Canonical decides to diverge from Debian, anyone 
using Ubuntu can switch to Debian with little work.  If IBM decides to 
make the sort of corporate overlord decisions we have observed with 
RHEL, CentOS, etc., then we are "stuck".  Note that Princeton Springdale 
EL evidently builds from the IBM RH source distro that is released under 
the GPL, Linux, etc., licenses -- a build process that Fermilab/CERN 
elected not to pursue.  Supposedly the Princeton EL distro is much 
closer to RHEL than CentOS -- I can forward the excerpt from a Sprindale 
list that is "similar" to this SL list.

On 2/5/21 8:58 AM, Lamar Owen wrote:
> On 2/4/21 1:33 PM, Konstantin Olchanski wrote:
>> ...
>> Lowen - thank you for your excellent write up. I am puzzled by a couple
>> of things and I have a few comments:
>>
>> - you say good words about professionalism and make good noises
>> about the high quality of Debian, but you do not elaborate why
>> you think Ubuntu is lacking in this department.
> 
> 
> Has a corporate overlord.  If one reason to leave a RHEL-based system is 
> a corporate overlord who could take it non-open at any time, then I am 
> not going to any system with what could be termed a Single-Point of 
> Failure.
> 
> 
>>
>> - you illustrate nicely the problem of linux - half the people worry
>> about choosing the right linux for their personal laptop (to be groomed
>> to perfection) and half the people need a linux to run 10-20 computers
>> used by other people with requirements of minimum maintenance and
>> maximum uptime. The same linux is not the right linux for both uses!
> 
> Totally agree.  I have for years run the same thing on my laptop that I 
> run on servers; admin tasks between the them are all the same and less 
> confusion results.
> 
> 
>> - professionalism of Debian was recently put into the spotlight
>> as they re-voted to re-confirm their commitment to systemd ...
> 
> This is the one at 
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.debian.org_vote_2019_vote-5F002&d=DwIFAw&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A&m=XvIkLhtJhGO7XH4_OXb1MkG56lCXkOxlADV173zTX4A&s=cvJA9XxJp-_kzWj5attwOZihMGlg1CnxgH7yP9fNcaM&e=  
> correct? Love this paragraph: "11. Negative general comments about 
> software and their communities, including both about systemd itself and 
> about non-systemd init systems, are strongly discouraged. Neither 
> messages expressing general dislike of systemd, nor predictions of the 
> demise of non-systemd systems, are appropriate for Debian communication 
> fora; likewise references to bugs which are not relevant to the topic at 
> hand"  That paragraph embodies the spirit of professionalism to a T.
> 
> 
> There's a reddit thread about the result: 
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.reddit.com_r_linux_comments_egj5k7_debian-5Finit-5Fgr-5Fresult-5Fb-5Fsystemd-5Fbut-5Fwe-5Fsupport_&d=DwIFAw&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A&m=XvIkLhtJhGO7XH4_OXb1MkG56lCXkOxlADV173zTX4A&s=7yScAir_Ubx6kVzl6hrfgz_ocbN13i3EH6rn2-O1qbs&e= 
> 
>>> 4.) Speaking of Altera.... .
>>>
>>> - yes, this is a battle. we have and we use Cyclone-1 FPGA boards,
>>> so running old versions of Quartus is a must. I am impressed
>>> that quartus 13.0sp1 can be made to run on current debian/ubuntu
>>> only "with little blood". ...
> 
> You did see that I have a WinXP VM to run Quartus 9 for some FLEX 10K 
> chips, right (Altera UP2 boards)?  Quartus II 13sp1 was easier to 
> install on CentOS 8; Debian 10 has newer libpng.  It wasn't hard to do; 
> lots less work than building KiCAD and Sigrok on CentOS 8.