On 2/4/21 1:33 PM, Konstantin Olchanski wrote:
> ...
> Lowen - thank you for your excellent write up. I am puzzled by a couple
> of things and I have a few comments:
>
> - you say good words about professionalism and make good noises
> about the high quality of Debian, but you do not elaborate why
> you think Ubuntu is lacking in this department.
Has a corporate overlord. If one reason to leave a RHEL-based system is
a corporate overlord who could take it non-open at any time, then I am
not going to any system with what could be termed a Single-Point of Failure.
>
> - you illustrate nicely the problem of linux - half the people worry
> about choosing the right linux for their personal laptop (to be groomed
> to perfection) and half the people need a linux to run 10-20 computers
> used by other people with requirements of minimum maintenance and
> maximum uptime. The same linux is not the right linux for both uses!
Totally agree. I have for years run the same thing on my laptop that I
run on servers; admin tasks between the them are all the same and less
confusion results.
> - professionalism of Debian was recently put into the spotlight
> as they re-voted to re-confirm their commitment to systemd ...
This is the one at https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.debian.org_vote_2019_vote-5F002&d=DwIFAw&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A&m=XvIkLhtJhGO7XH4_OXb1MkG56lCXkOxlADV173zTX4A&s=cvJA9XxJp-_kzWj5attwOZihMGlg1CnxgH7yP9fNcaM&e= correct?
Love this paragraph: "11. Negative general comments about software and
their communities, including both about systemd itself and about
non-systemd init systems, are strongly discouraged. Neither messages
expressing general dislike of systemd, nor predictions of the demise of
non-systemd systems, are appropriate for Debian communication fora;
likewise references to bugs which are not relevant to the topic at
hand" That paragraph embodies the spirit of professionalism to a T.
There's a reddit thread about the result:
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.reddit.com_r_linux_comments_egj5k7_debian-5Finit-5Fgr-5Fresult-5Fb-5Fsystemd-5Fbut-5Fwe-5Fsupport_&d=DwIFAw&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A&m=XvIkLhtJhGO7XH4_OXb1MkG56lCXkOxlADV173zTX4A&s=7yScAir_Ubx6kVzl6hrfgz_ocbN13i3EH6rn2-O1qbs&e=
>> 4.) Speaking of Altera.... .
>>
>> - yes, this is a battle. we have and we use Cyclone-1 FPGA boards,
>> so running old versions of Quartus is a must. I am impressed
>> that quartus 13.0sp1 can be made to run on current debian/ubuntu
>> only "with little blood". ...
You did see that I have a WinXP VM to run Quartus 9 for some FLEX 10K
chips, right (Altera UP2 boards)? Quartus II 13sp1 was easier to
install on CentOS 8; Debian 10 has newer libpng. It wasn't hard to do;
lots less work than building KiCAD and Sigrok on CentOS 8.
