I thought selinux wouldn't be too bad when having it activated on 
Debian, seems I was wrong. I have more trust in selinux than I do in 
apparmor. I don't really want to run any of my systems without selinux 
so seems I'll have to stick to one of the remaining  rhel clones.

On 12/10/20 6:02 PM, Maarten wrote:
> I work mostly with RHEL systems and for personal use I have been 
> running  Scientific Linux and CentOS on my personal systems.
> Now that RedHat basically killed CentOS the question is how long will 
> the currently still available ones keep going, and Debian has
> been around for quite sometime so it suites my needs plus selinux also 
> works with Debian.  I will still wait out to what RedHat has in
> store for people running personal production systems.
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.redhat.com_en_blog_faq-2Dcentos-2Dstream-2Dupdates-23Q12&d=DwIDaQ&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A&m=mR7inj3dfCIvMYQf_DuiWftnWMm9ZsNa-hI9OTJBbAI&s=-oofTUPIRoIq7_PSdfgygmpInBFE6TzsO6fouRxUE0Y&e= 
>
> On 12/10/20 5:47 PM, Vinícius Ferrão wrote:
>> I’ve done this mistake in the past.
>>
>> The major issue with Debian is its lifecycle, even LTS is 5 years 
>> only. Same for Ubuntu. It’s just too little. If you need to install 
>> it near the end of the 2yr lifecycle you’ll get effectively something 
>> like 3yrs of support.
>>
>> The other issue is that the vast majority of academic and scientific 
>> software is targeted for Enterprise Linux. As an HPC engineer we 
>> always needs to use RHEL/derivatives or SLES/Leap. OpenHPC is only 
>> available to those flavors. Mellanox OFED? Ok there’s Ubuntu support 
>> nowadays, but the default branches are still for EL/SLE.
>>
>> That’s how things work in our environment. I think the vast majority 
>> of people here works on Academia or with science/research/etc.
>>
>> And finally I don’t want to adapt everything to Debian. The FHS is 
>> different, scripts will break, etc.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Vinícius Ferrão
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 10 Dec 2020, at 13:38, Maarten 
>>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I might also consider switching to Debian since it will be hard to 
>>> tell if any other still existing rhel clones will continue and 
>>> Debian has been around for quite some time.
>>>
>>>> On 12/10/20 8:34 AM, Maarten wrote:
>>>> I will probably be more like to go for Springdale Linux since 
>>>> they've been around since before CentOS, I find it hard to put 
>>>> trust in a project that's just getting started unless of course 
>>>> CERN changes their decision about discontinuing Scientific Linux 
>>>> since they were migrating to CentOS.
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/10/20 5:17 AM, ~Stack~ wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/9/20 9:16 PM, Yasha Karant wrote:
>>>>>> One thing does concern me:  having left CentOS (it was all 
>>>>>> "volunteer" effort at that epoch as I recall) for SL, a primary 
>>>>>> motivator was that SL had professional (employed, not volunteer) 
>>>>>> persons doing the distros, and this SL list amounting to support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If Rocky is to be all volunteer, how reliable and professional 
>>>>>> will it be?  This is not a minor issue, as very few enthusiasts 
>>>>>> or other non-professionals provide a truly reliable deliverable.
>>>>> I would say, give it time. It wouldn't be the first time Kurtzer 
>>>>> started an open source project and turned into a company. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> For my use, is EL going to continue to be workstation friendly 
>>>>>> (e.g., laptop in which one cannot pick and choose to integrate 
>>>>>> only Linux traditionally supported controllers with appropriate 
>>>>>> drivers, such as sound "cards", but is stuck with whatever the 
>>>>>> laptop vendor has used -- typically MS Win "supported") or is it 
>>>>>> primarily a server distro? Ubuntu LTS still seems to be laptop 
>>>>>> friendly.
>>>>> They are aiming for complete RHEL reproducibility. If the goal is 
>>>>> to be as-true-as-possible-RHEL variant then the answer would be in 
>>>>> how you use RHEL.
>>>>>
>>>>> But do give it sometime. It's only been two days and the 
>>>>> announcement I just saw said that there are now 750 people 
>>>>> actively participating in the various forms to communication and 
>>>>> they have direction, a plan, and leaders making it happen. And 
>>>>> there's thousands of people who have noticed and are talking about 
>>>>> it on /. , reddit, lwn, ect. That's pretty impressive and it 
>>>>> speaks volumes about the number of people who really do want a 
>>>>> true-to-RHEL variant.
>>>>>
>>>>> ~Stack~