I just checked:  Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS currently uses gcc version 9.3.0 and 
GNU C Library stable release version 2.31

On 12/14/20 1:02 PM, Teh, Kenneth M. wrote:
> Software collections has gcc-9. If memory serves, SL7 has gcc-4.8.
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> Karant <[log in to unmask]>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2020 2:44 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: Springdale Linux
> Thank you for quoting from the Princeton material.  I had read the
> Princeton commentary a while ago when internally we were debating SL vs.
> Princeton, and went with SL because Fermilab/CERN combined have better
> resources than Princeton alone.  The one thing I did note and have
> mentioned on this list, if memory serves, was that SL8 was to be
> replaced by (the now to-be-defunct) CentOS 8, for which the comment that
> such RPMs (including presumably SRPMs) are "not 100% safe" seemed
> applicable.  However, there was no substantial discussion of this point;
> thus I assumed that as Fermilab/CERN did have a very limited deployment
> RHEL license, the HEP community CentOS 8 would be verified against
> "safe" RHEL for not just binary compatibility ("bug for bug") but also
> "safety".
> 
> As pointed out by others on this list, I too need later C++ versions
> than EL 7 has -- any idea when Springdale EL8 will be in production
> distribution with a distro?
> 
> On 12/14/20 12:10 PM, Maarten wrote:
>> Spring is a binary clone of RHEL and the sources are not based off CentOS.
>> 
>> Quoting someone from the  Springdale mailinglist:  "Springdale Linux 
>> formerly known as PUIAS (Princeton University Institute for Advanced 
>> Studies) is older than CentOS and it compiles it's own binaries from the 
>> upstream source code. It is unrelated to CentOS and in my experience 
>> CentOS RPMs are not 100% safe. I tend to avoid them. Springdale has it's 
>> own repos, EPEL is ok and RPM Fusion works for me. For CUDA I use RHEL 
>> RPMs not CentOS RPMs the same goes for Chrome or anything else."
>> 
>> If you want to install Springdale you can just use the boot iso no DVD 
>> needed: puias.princeton.edu/data/puias/8.3/x86_64/os/images/boot.iso
>> 
>> As for converting from CentOS8 to Springdale it's basically removing the 
>> the Centos specific packages and replacing them with the Springdale 
>> packages. I have done this with a test system and afterwards with my 
>> personal systems that were running CentOS8. it worked flawlessly so I 
>> will be sticking to Springdale Linux even after Rocky Linux  is released.
>> 
>> Maarten
>> 
>> On 12/14/20 8:49 PM, Yasha Karant wrote:
>>> Springdale EL (Princeton in my terminology, just as SL is 
>>> Fermilab/CERN) shows the following:
>>>
>>> Download
>>> DVD
>>>
>>> i386    x86_64
>>> 8.3    TBA    TBA
>>>
>>> That is, there is no repo with an installable EL 8 ISO image.  As for 
>>> repos, Springdale shows:
>>>
>>> If you are only looking to install some rpms, you can download our 
>>> repositories on your system.
>>>
>>> YUM Repositories for PUIAS 8?  (NB:  This text was thus shown as not 
>>> [yet?] available.
>>>
>>> If Sprindale is built from CentOS, then such a build will no longer be 
>>> possible from CentOS Stream (a perpetual "beta" version, not a 
>>> production distro).  Springdale (and Rocky EL) and any future SL 8 -- 
>>> were the HEP community to fund such (personnel, space, and hardware 
>>> platforms) -- would need to get actual production RHEL 8 source from 
>>> IBM RH pursuant to the Linux, GPL, etc., licenses.  Such sources are 
>>> not "pretty" and are deliberately designed to be "unfriendly" to build 
>>> from source, even with removal of all of the proprietary "logo" IP. 
>>> The idea of keeping SL 7 "alive" with perpetual backporting also may 
>>> not be attractive.  For now, until IBM RH announces for CentOS 7 what 
>>> was announced for the to-be-defunct CentOS 8, CentOS 7 can keep SL 7 
>>> patched for security, albeit not necessarily for new hardware (e.g., 
>>> backporting drivers) or supporting new CPU and system I/O architectures.
>>>
>>> Yasha Karant
>>>
>>> On 12/14/20 3:39 AM, Maarten wrote:
>>>> I already converted over my personal systems over to Springdale Linux 
>>>> without having to reinstall because it saved me from having to 
>>>> reinstall Debian from scratch on all of my systems.
>>>>
>>>> On 12/14/20 12:37 PM, Tapia, Ron wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone considering Springdale Linux 
>>>>> (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__springdale.math.ias.edu_&d=DwIFAw&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A&m=fXPV3dpZLhNbng7dmn_Ujhzb4ZuEw1y-JygmhWnmWFc&s=X_cL7uUNfZJblixsdJpO5f8utO2X1cLdZWYLVmfwc-s&e= 
> 
>>>>> ) as a way forward after SL7?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron
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