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On 12/9/20 8:25 PM, Yasha Karant wrote:
> If my recollection of the history is correct, CentOS and Princeton EL
> were separate from SL. CentOS originally was a "volunteer" effort
> building from RHEL source, with RH personnel monitoring the CentOS
> "lists" because CentOS had a wider range of an installed base on
> enthusiast and home user systems, in addition to "professional"
> systems (such as the HP Zbook laptop workstation that I use). The
> earlier SL major releases had some differences in the base installed
> system from EL "stock", whereas CentOS did not. Later major releases
> of SL essentially were the same in the "base" as EL (in all cases,
> logos must change). I never worked with the Princeton release. When
> RH (not Fedora -- real production RH) was an executable installable
> supported distro, pre-EL, we used that, licensed for free for
> "personal" use. Prior to RH, I was using Debian (the GNU Linux), and
> once RH had no executable installable supported distro, I switched to
> CentOS. I then switched to SL because CentOS was having issues and SL
> was professionally produced (Fermilab/CERN) with the level of
> professional support we needed (that is, this list, plus Fermilab SL
> support staff who would fix some things -- such as inconsistencies or
> missing components in the standard SL distro -- we do NOT need nor use
> "commercial cradle to grave" handholding support, unlike the
> University IT division for which everything essentially is outsourced
> to for-profit vendors, as part of the USA scheme for public funding of
> private for-profit entities and wealth transference to the wealthy.
> With the demise of SL 8 and the purchase of RH and CentOS by IBM, I
> switched to Ubuntu LTS. If Canonical goes the way of RH, then I
> suppose I will look at Debian again.
>
> On 12/9/20 10:47 AM, Konstantin Olchanski wrote:
>>>> Very curious how CERN and Fermilab will respond to this.
>>> I guess that CERN was caught red-handed as well.
>>
>> (wrong metaphor? you wanted "with pants down" or "off guard" or
>> something like that?
>> there is no evidence that CERN was "in" on this change, yes?)
>>
>>> They have already started to port their internal systems to CentOS8
>>> according to the
>>> recent site report at HEPiX:
>>> https://indico.cern.ch/event/898285/contributions/4015535/attachments/2120621/3569557/CERN_Site_Report_-_HEPiX_Autumn_2020_v2.pdf
>>>
>>
>> As one may remember, CERN Linux, SL and CentOS only exist because
>> CERN could
>> not agree with Red Hat on the licensing scheme for LHC-scale computing.
>>
>> (I guess, at the LHC scale, even small numbers like $1/license become
>> unworkable).
>>
>>
>> BTW, in other news,
>>
>> I see the CentOS wiki was changed to read "CentOS-8 full updates and
>> Maintenance Updates"
>> from "May 2024 and May 2029" to "December 2021 and December 31, 2021",
>> see
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__wiki.centos.org_action_recall_About_Product&d=DwICaQ&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A&m=eMvBVbBFwtBD5Xbw1LErGQIapxF_ioOOJoO-OqCNa6g&s=CaCDrxtp7Ka4fRCXAiVCT34Zxxx_VD19P2hQeMXliqs&e=
>> and
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__wiki.centos.org_action_recall_About_Product-3Faction-3Drecall-26rev-3D122&d=DwICaQ&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A&m=eMvBVbBFwtBD5Xbw1LErGQIapxF_ioOOJoO-OqCNa6g&s=dx8Ilr6PNf35kZ8hodzZ5JC9z40X9p5iMktTifR_C34&e=
>>
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