I work at a government lab, and the reason ubuntu adoption is lagging is cybersecurity. It's not that Ubuntu is intrinsically less secure, but that its repository is so large that it requires a much larger investment in a security inventory. It's also the case that the ubuntu encryption is not opensource, and the license is ~1K/seat. We hope to switch to Ubuntu within this FY, but we'll see. Art Edwards -- Arthur H. Edwards [log in to unmask] On Wed, May 20, 2020, at 12:55 AM, Yasha Karant wrote: > I also use MATE, and often issue direct text based commands in the > standard Linux CLI, bash (that has enough csh and korn shell features to > make it useful). I do install a number of KDE GUI utilities as some of > the KDE programs do what I need. Now that Ubuntu 20 LTS is in > production, I shall be updating my wife's Ubuntu 18 LTS machine to > Ubuntu 20 LTS; my understanding is that unlike EL for which a major > release upgrade requires a new install (for which the simplest thing in > most machines is to install a new "fresh" harddrive, install EL N++ from > media -- typically a bootable USB "thumb drive", and then using the old > drive, recursively copy /home and other non-systems directories onto the > new system drive for a laptop, I use an external USB "drive holder" to > access the drive), LTS allows one to upgrade from major release N to > major release N++ (e.g., 18 to 20) in place. A number of LTS users have > informed me that they routinely do this with no ill consequences. > > Ubuntu (Canonical) advertises: Canonical is the publisher of Ubuntu, > the OS for most public cloud workloads as well as the emerging > categories of smart gateways, self-driving cars and advanced robots. Is > this advert factual? If so, why is HEP staying with EL -- is it inertia > or are there significant stability advantages to EL over LTS? > > Yasha Karant > > On 5/19/20 10:23 PM, Konstantin Olchanski wrote: > > Metoo. I use the MATE desktop, as the least annoying of all > > desktops available on all three of el6, el7 and Ubuntu LTS 18.04. > > > > As for el8, officially everything except some gnome is removed, > > KDE was never available, probably still not available, so meh. > > > > FWIW, I am evaluating el8 and ubuntu LTS 20.04 in parallel, so far, > > el8/ubuntu package versions: python 3.6/3.8, gcc 8.x/9.x, php 7.2/7.4; > > Ubuntu can boot from zfs (18.04 you have to follow a check list, 20.04 > > supposedly the installer can install straight to ZFS). On el8 I will not even try > > boot from ZFS, for sure there is some systemd bogosity that will > > prevent it from working (like systemd refused to boot from degraded btrfs). > > > > Sorry to bring this up again, but other than for nostalgia and inertia, > > there is not much point to el8. > > > > K.O. > > > > > > On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 09:48:28PM -0700, Keith Lofstrom wrote: > >> On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 4:45 PM Keith Lofstrom <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >>> I've done my feeble best to compile Mate for CentOS 8; my > >>> result is not completely broken, but not ready for use. > >>> Some of the graphics fails. "Mate8" seems to leak memory. > >> On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 05:08:34PM -0700, Akemi Yagi wrote: > >>> There is a thread on the CentOS mailing list about Mate for el8 that you > >>> may want to take a look: > >>> > >>> lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2020-May/350284.html > >> Thanks for that; about six messages down that thread is > >> a pointer to a webpage discussing compiled packages: > >> > >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__copr.fedoracloud.org_coprs_stenstorp_MATE&d=DwIBAg&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A&m=Q6LCVHs6caad7nOhlIGsnO-ZZUhyem88W6GHqfhenh8&s=7XyJM3wNZhcVzu5ozYZvc9sKtl4zp0lRlr7HMXiXXP8&e= > >> > >> I will copy my borked home compilations to backups, then > >> install that version of MATE. Many of us are installing > >> MATE; I probably made my clumsy attempts prematurely. > >> > >> ---- > >> > >> To others who suggest alternate ways to use linux ... thanks, > >> but I'm an old dog, and a gnome2 user since it was a puppy. > >> MATE comes closest. > >> > >> My "new trick" schedule is overloaded with math and physics > >> skills that I hope to learn soon, skills that would have > >> been much easier to learn 50 years ago. > >> > >> ----- > >> > >> Finding the gnome3 text rendering flaw will be more difficult. > >> That flaw is why my subnotebooks still run SL6. > >> > >> > >> Keith > >> > >> -- > >> Keith Lofstrom [log in to unmask] >