On 04/11/2017 04:50 AM, David Sommerseth wrote: > On 10/04/17 23:49, O'Neal, Miles wrote: >> There are days I sort of wonder whether the Linux development crews >> haven't been infiltrated by people trying to drive us into the OSX or >> Windows camps. > > That is very unfair. To my knowledge, there exists no "Linux product > management department" which sets the path forward for how any Linux > distribution should go. > > A lot of the new stuff happens in many distributions before it hits the > enterprise Linux distributions - such as SL. For RHEL and SL that means > Fedora. For SUSE Linux that means openSUSE. For Debian, that's a a bit > different story, as they have their unstable branch and is not a company > compared to Red Hat or SUSE. And many of these package maintainers and > developers in distributions works with a broad range of upstream > communities and projects. > > The result is that if someone feels something could be improved, they > start doing that inside the relevant upstream project involved - or they > create their own new upstream project. *Then* the various upstream > projects and later on Linux distros decides to include these > improvements. And then it hits the enterprise Linux distributions. > > So claiming that "Linux development crews" are infiltrated to make Linux > s**k is just so wrong on every level. First of all there exists no > "Linux development crew" at any level, the development work is > completely distributed and decentralized. This is the kind of silly > remarks which actually pays no respect to all the efforts and good faith > provided by many people in many places. Claiming those people are > infiltrators is just beyond any reasonable limits of fairness. > > If you dislike something ... Grab developers responsible for your > dissatisfaction in IRC, join the mailing lists, go to conferences where > you can meet these persons face to face or otherwise reach out the > proper people directly. *That way* Linux can truly be improved, by > users actually giving real feedback to the persons who can do something > about it. Too much for you? Get a Red Hat subscription and "outsource" > that work through the Red Hat support channels. > > And I encourage all of you to pay attention to the devconf.cz conference > (lots of videos with past presentations on youtube too). That does have > a lot of focus on Fedora and RHEL, which is most relevant for SL. There > probably exists many other conferences too, where the heading of the > various projects included in Linux distributions is presented. And *do* > provide feedback to those giving talks, that way things may improve. > But of course, it is up to the developers to decide if to change or not, > based upon how many gives feedback pointing in the same direction. > > Ranting about the direction of "Linux" on a distribution ML which > basically just ships what RHEL ships is just completely missing the > mark. It is a complete misunderstanding of what kind of distribution > Scientific Linux is. And then giving a remark so general it carries no > argument of _what_ is wrong *and* _how_ you see it could be fixed ... > How can that improve things? > > </rant> Well said!