There are days I sort of wonder whether the Linux development crews haven't been infiltrated by people trying to drive us into the OSX or Windows camps. On 04/10/2017 04:39 PM, Ken Teh wrote: > On 04/10/2017 10:59 AM, Tom H wrote: > >> >> The lead NM developer's replied to you on fedora-devel@ or >> fedora-user@ in the past that he and his fellow NM developers have >> worked hard to add to NM configuration options for complex server >> setups as well as a cli tool for managing settings. Sadly, NM seems to >> be a project that can do nothing right in the eyes of its users even >> though it's left the flakiness of its early years behind. >> >> > > I'm not sure why I'm jumping into the fray but this paragraph struck > me as to exactly why network manager is anathema to so many of us. > Even if it is not as flaky as it used to be. > > I'm living with it but I can't you the number of times nmcli and > firewall-cmd have made my blood pressure go up. The latter is even > worse with its option style subcommands and is near impossible to > remember choices. Is it list-all, zone-get-info, zone-list-all? Wtf? -- Miles O'Neal CAD Systems Engineer Cirrus Logic | cirrus.com | 1.512.851.4659