On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Tom H <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> NM in F-17/F-18 understands ifcfg files defining bonds, bridges, vlans. >> >> I've installed an X-less F-18 and uninstalled NM without a hitch so >> it's still uninstallable (but I didn't try to do so with GNOME or >> another DE installed), so it *SHOULD* still be uninstallable in EL-7. >> Since you're so enamored with NM, I look forward to your reaction to >> firewalld when you move to EL-7. :) > > Since F-18 is only in beta, not released yet, I'll reserve judgment > until it's actually published. So far, from F-17, I'm afraid the > switch to SL 7 is going to pretty painful. The switch to "systemd" > instead of "initscripts", and the switch from "/bin" and "/sbin" to > "/usr/bin" and "/usr/sbin" for numerous core utilities are going to > create a serious burden for people doing cross-platform work. Revising > the network component layout is going to be.... even more delightful, > > The need for more sophisticated tools and discard of some of the > complex old hackery is understandable, it's just going to be hard. The main/only reason that F-18 hasn't been released yet is the new-look installer so we can be quite sure that the NM behavior won't change by the time that F-18's published. Although the move to "/usr" and systemd are big "plumbing" changes, I suspect that the redesigned installer and gnome-shell will have a bigger impact on users. systemd's looking quite good; F-18'll be the fourth Fedora release with systemd by default. Oracle beat Fedora to the move to "/usr" with Solaris 11 so if you're working cross-platform, SL-7 will be the second "exception" when it's released... If I'm understanding you correctly, you're calling the scripts in "/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/" hackery and I agree. But it's good hackery. As a multi-distro user, I wish that all distributions used the same hackery...