On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Konstantin Olchanski > <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 09:19:05PM -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: >>> >>> Since it's packaged as the default from the upstream vendor >>> distribution, and since the "system-config-network" tool from the >>> upstream vendor provides no ability to access or manipulate this >>> feature or numerous others, ... >> >> Complaint rejected. >> >> RTFM the "Deployment Guide", section "Networking". >> >> It tells you to use "nm-connection-editor". It even explains all this business >> of "system" and "user" network connections. >> >> https://access.redhat.com/knowledge/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Deployment_Guide/part-Networking.html > > You've apparently read the document. I'll withdraw the complaint that > there is no way to turn it off. But having to install and activate > NetworkManager, and run the X applications to turn off this misfeature > is..... well, it's not our favorite upstream vendor's proudest > moment. It's particularly problematical on limited environment > features such as KVM servers where you *should not* be running > graphical logins because they suck resources away from more critical > applications. > >> P.S. system-config-network is gone, but of late, it was simpler >> to "vi /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ethX", and "Look Ma! Vi those >> files directly still works, even with the NetworkManager!" > > Unfortunately, ifcfg-eth* is not a reliable convention. KVM bridges, > for example, may be named almost any arbitrary suffix. Pair bonded > devices and wireless devices and PPP connections add other > possibilities: it adds up to confusion. NM in F-17/F-18 understands ifcfg files defining bonds, bridges, vlans. I've installed an X-less F-18 and uninstalled NM without a hitch so it's still uninstallable (but I didn't try to do so with GNOME or another DE installed), so it *SHOULD* still be uninstallable in EL-7. Since you're so enamored with NM, I look forward to your reaction to firewalld when you move to EL-7. :)