On 04/30/2008 04:59 PM, Troy Dawson wrote: > Hi All, > We will once again be having a Plenary (a discussion/forum) at Hepix. I > am gathering a list of things people want to discuss. > > What do people want to discuss? in addition to the "SL4 end-of-life"-issue and the (already now) interesting "Ubuntu-creep" discussion, perhaps we could have something on SL5 rollout at labs. I've seen Fermi's point of view ("up to our users"), and I guess most labs have SL5 wherever they can get away with this, but CERN will finally also be looking at 5, which means LCG+experiment software should eventually be available as well, and hence I hope that Grid computing capacity will move.. and as usual, this will be a push&pull (lure 'em with free capacity on 5, reduce capacity on 4 and threaten with deadlines). Some idea where the rest of the world is in this would be nice. Another issue of interest to at least me would be opinions on hardware availability - we are pretty much unable to procure laptops with RH/SL/SLC4, and desktops are difficult as well on 4. 5 will bring temporary relief, but to me it looks like laptops are pretty much unsuitable for an "enterprise" level of stability. Other opinions gladly taken, the above Ubuntu creep and the already-mentioned MacOS stampede are at least taking pressure out of this.. Last but keast (and already mentioned a year ago), CERN occasionally gets accused of customizing SLC too much (in the sense that software developed on SLC {sh|w}ould {need to} be re-certified for other RH/SL flavours. While I am not aware of any concrete example for this, it would be nice to get both the other labs' opinion on CERN's behaviour, and perhaps examples of similar criticism vs other SL* variants. Regards & see you on Monday. Jan