I find that I like to obtain AFS tokens on login but I have also found that once in a while our network is down and this can make getting into a machine problematic. What I have done is modify the afs script in /etc/init.d to check if the servers are available and if so modify the /etc/pam.d files appropriately to enable tokens granting on login otherwise go back to the default setup without the AFS authentication. I have put a set of files and a script to set this up customized for our AFS cell here at the University ofd Alberta in a tar file on my website if anyone is interested. This should be regaurded as very preliminary since I have not done extensive testing but others may find it useful. The location of this file is http://www.ualberta.ca/~barton/AFS/SL/SL40Openafs.tar -- Bob Barton <[log in to unmask]> Local Area Administrator (780) 492-5160 564B Chemical & Materials Engineering University of Alberta, Edmonton Alberta, T6G 2G6