Jack,
From what I can tell, SL users is not a developers/internals list as
such -- those also exist. It is an experienced, "sysadmin", porting,
running, and defect-work-around list. Many of the questions that I have
asked and the few that I have answered are similar to what I have posted
to Ask Ubuntu now that I have deployed Ubuntu LTS on some machines. On
SL I got/get meaningful answers (including "cannot be done" as systems
libraries upon which the whole edifice depends are not up to the minimum
current production versions used by some applications that I needed --
not even with "Snaps"). On Ask Ubuntu it is like pulling teeth in many
cases -- and in at least one, I was told that if I wanted information
from an Ubuntu specialist, I needed paid Canonical support. Also, the
user interface forces often cryptic questions or answers (character
count limits) that force the use of poorly constructed uses of the
English written language. The only time that I need paid support is if
something has been hidden (or deeply buried) -- "behind door number
two". I also have found that Ask Ubuntu often does not have key word
searches on the key words I need, and often the solution is for releases
that are EOL and for which the solution to an issue has changed. The SL
list is much more clear, particularly given the many configuration
changes between earlier SL major releases and SL current.
Yasha
On 5/4/21 12:23 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote:
> Yasha,
>
> We have no resistance to a hosting a devel mailing list. The drive to have a graphical forum was requests from users in the community.
>
> Jack
>
>> On May 4, 2021, at 13:01, Yasha Karant <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> If I correctly have read the IBH RH EL9 CentOS announcement below, EL 9 will be in production before the end of this year, leapfrogging EL 8 as it were. I wonder how much of this is due to the various issues with EL 8? As SL 8 is not happening, SL 9 certainly is not -- forcing one to choose to stay RPM or not. If one stays RPM and does not want the instability of CentOS stream (please see a previous posting to this list with direct deployment observations of stream -- totally unsuitable for a production hardened environment based upon what I read -- even less "stable" than Fedora), then one is forced to either Rocky or AlmaLinux, assuming either pushes out an EL 9 clone as soon as CentOS or other IBM RH buildable source is released. Otherwise, for those who do not have a too heavy investment in hardware "driver" or specific software/systems application RPMs, there is Canonical Ubuntu LTS. Ubuntu lacks anything similar to this list, as from my direct sign up and inspection of AlmaLinux does that distro as well -- both have something similar to "Ask Ubuntu" that is much more cumbersome and much more eyecandy than this straightforward list. And, many more "non-systems" comments, much less of an "engineering" approach than this list.
>>
>> On 5/4/21 9:46 AM, Leon Fauster wrote:
>>> On 04.05.21 17:41, Dave Dykstra wrote:
>>>> Yasha,
>>>>
>>>> I'll try to answer as I understand things as an observer.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 03, 2021 at 02:51:30PM -0700, Yasha Karant wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>> 1. Fermilab and the non-CERN HEP community are not part of the Linux Future
>>>>> Community analysis as far as I can read, but are consulted later after the
>>>>> analysis is prepared (for HEP or CERN internal)?
>>>>
>>>> Fermilab and CERN have made it clear that they want to do everything
>>>> jointly. They are considering input from the rest of the HEP community.
>>>>
>>>>> 2. CentOS Stream 8 repositories -- are these available outside of CERN?
>>>>> Outside of HEP?
>>>>
>>>> CentOS Stream 8 comes straight from Red Hat.
>>> JFI:
>>> "CentOS Stream 9 will launch in Q2 2021 as part of the RHEL 9 development process."
>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.redhat.com_en_blog_faq-2Dcentos-2Dstream-2Dupdates&d=DwICaQ&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A&m=hYk1ITQcUtbqa-Vlm6RCnkOJbUbC15278L1IWzXyRqw&s=SfSn-uhVE6EuC2nmdoDVqqJNPWL1Ak06bk4NTVMleN0&e= Availability of Stream 9 packages on Gitlab, and a koji instance where you can watch package build activity.
>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__blog.centos.org_2021_05_centos-2Dcommunity-2Dnewsletter-2Dmay-2D2021-2D2105_&d=DwICaQ&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A&m=hYk1ITQcUtbqa-Vlm6RCnkOJbUbC15278L1IWzXyRqw&s=1_prbp5ptWOW4IlH1AtwMdgIqTByadUaIjE00obAC3A&e= https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__composes.stream.centos.org_test&d=DwICaQ&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A&m=hYk1ITQcUtbqa-Vlm6RCnkOJbUbC15278L1IWzXyRqw&s=dzekCNHUpo0DVAy9dFQWWJ38-TVG9bhnDuypLQJB2yU&e=
>>>>> 3. Note CC7 not SL7. What are the differences?
>>>>
>>>> CERN and Fermilab did diverge on their approach to EL7. You know what
>>>> SL7 is, and much of the HEP community stuck with that, but CERN based
>>>> their operating system on CentOS. CC7 stands for CERN CentOS 7. They
>>>> are basically compatible and I didn't hear of any application software
>>>> that noticed any difference beside the name.
>>> --
>>> Leon
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