Maybe the AlmaLinux reddit (might also be one for Rocky?

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James Pulver
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From: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Yasha Karant <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 1:01 PM
To: scientific-linux-users
Subject: Re: [SL-Users] Re: any update on CERN Linux and CentOS-8 situation?

If I correctly have read the IBH RH EL9 CentOS announcement below, EL 9
will be in production before the end of this year, leapfrogging EL 8 as
it were.  I wonder how much of this is due to the various issues with EL
8?  As SL 8 is not happening, SL 9 certainly is not -- forcing one to
choose to stay RPM or not.  If one stays RPM and does not want the
instability of CentOS stream (please see a previous posting to this list
with direct deployment observations of stream -- totally unsuitable for
a production hardened environment based upon what I read -- even less
"stable" than Fedora), then one is forced to either Rocky or AlmaLinux,
assuming either pushes out an EL 9 clone as soon as CentOS or other IBM
RH buildable source is released.  Otherwise, for those who do not have a
too heavy investment in hardware "driver" or specific software/systems
application RPMs, there is Canonical Ubuntu LTS.  Ubuntu lacks anything
similar to this list, as from my direct sign up and inspection of
AlmaLinux does that distro as well -- both have something similar to
"Ask Ubuntu" that is much more cumbersome and much more eyecandy than
this straightforward list.  And, many more "non-systems" comments, much
less of an "engineering" approach than this list.

On 5/4/21 9:46 AM, Leon Fauster wrote:
> On 04.05.21 17:41, Dave Dykstra wrote:
>> Yasha,
>>
>> I'll try to answer as I understand things as an observer.
>>
>> On Mon, May 03, 2021 at 02:51:30PM -0700, Yasha Karant wrote:
>> ...
>>> 1.  Fermilab and the non-CERN HEP community are not part of the Linux
>>> Future
>>> Community analysis as far as I can read, but are consulted later
>>> after the
>>> analysis is prepared (for HEP or CERN internal)?
>>
>> Fermilab and CERN have made it clear that they want to do everything
>> jointly.  They are considering input from the rest of the HEP community.
>>
>>> 2. CentOS Stream 8 repositories -- are these available outside of CERN?
>>> Outside of HEP?
>>
>> CentOS Stream 8 comes straight from Red Hat.
>
>
>
> JFI:
>
> "CentOS Stream 9 will launch in Q2 2021 as part of the RHEL 9
> development process."
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.redhat.com_en_blog_faq-2Dcentos-2Dstream-2Dupdates&d=DwICaQ&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A&m=hYk1ITQcUtbqa-Vlm6RCnkOJbUbC15278L1IWzXyRqw&s=SfSn-uhVE6EuC2nmdoDVqqJNPWL1Ak06bk4NTVMleN0&e=
>
>
> Availability of Stream 9 packages on Gitlab, and a koji instance where
> you can watch package build activity.
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__blog.centos.org_2021_05_centos-2Dcommunity-2Dnewsletter-2Dmay-2D2021-2D2105_&d=DwICaQ&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A&m=hYk1ITQcUtbqa-Vlm6RCnkOJbUbC15278L1IWzXyRqw&s=1_prbp5ptWOW4IlH1AtwMdgIqTByadUaIjE00obAC3A&e=
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__composes.stream.centos.org_test&d=DwICaQ&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A&m=hYk1ITQcUtbqa-Vlm6RCnkOJbUbC15278L1IWzXyRqw&s=dzekCNHUpo0DVAy9dFQWWJ38-TVG9bhnDuypLQJB2yU&e=
>
>
>
>>> 3. Note CC7 not SL7.  What are the differences?
>>
>> CERN and Fermilab did diverge on their approach to EL7.  You know what
>> SL7 is, and much of the HEP community stuck with that, but CERN based
>> their operating system on CentOS.  CC7 stands for CERN CentOS 7.  They
>> are basically compatible and I didn't hear of any application software
>> that noticed any difference beside the name.
>
>
>
> --
> Leon