Fermilab is not a government facility, but it is so funded:
Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
Managed by Fermi Research Alliance, LLC
for the U.S. Department of Energy Office of Science
and although this listserve is on a USA Federal government network, it
is not a classified (clandestine, DoD, security clearance, etc.)
network. The Hatch act applies if one discusses specific political
persons or parties (e.g., a specific USA former president, a specific
agenda such as voter suppression by a specific political party), but the
Hatch Act does not apply to societal issues per se. Under those other
governments that I mentioned, their "hatch acts" do apply -- to
everything and by everybody at all times and places.
On 4/27/21 10:52 AM, Queen, Steven Z. (GSFC-5910) wrote:
> The Hatch Act makes it illegal for federal workers to discuss politics.
> This is a government list.
>
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> *From:* [log in to unmask]
> <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Yasha
> Karant <[log in to unmask]>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 27, 2021 1:18 PM
> *To:* Mailing list for Scientific Linux users worldwide
> <[log in to unmask]>
> *Subject:* Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Code bias video, watch it ASAP
> For those of us one this list who are ACM members, I quote:
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Furldefense.proofpoint.com-252Fv2-252Furl-253Fu-253Dhttps-2D3A-5F-5Fwww.acm.org-5Fcode-2D2Dof-2D2Dethics-2526d-253DDwID-2Dg-2526c-253DgRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA-2526r-253Dgd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-2DP-2DpgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A-2526m-253DrvvKgjCdyxB3pmR8XX9sSUyDJj91jQ8He2RzBGLFsWE-2526s-253DwFYH-5FRV7rQLOGae55WLKa5Ve3lYcqfdera6gdLL3ajU-2526e-253D-26amp-3Bdata-3D04-257C01-257Csteven.z.queen-2540nasa.gov-257Ca17ab3bd8e1741159c6f08d909a08464-257C7005d45845be48ae8140d43da96dd17b-257C0-257C0-257C637551407289493580-257CUnknown-257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-253D-257C1000-26amp-3Bsdata-3DNmsOqa-252FLPqEGv893Voz5APCahCSgC0q-252FTIJZc1Mrrss-253D-26amp-3Breserved-3D0&d=DwIG-g&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A&m=k2PdSiBMUaK4orfwXtDf4GprNbKelOnlIDBXkpmcGU0&s=Mb2EKQDcSFjBPPxpEmbNCvoTK31-pLXom4K-7VjJZYU&e=
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Furldefense.proofpoint.com-252Fv2-252Furl-253Fu-253Dhttps-2D3A-5F-5Fwww.acm.org-5Fcode-2D2Dof-2D2Dethics-2526d-253DDwID-2Dg-2526c-253DgRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA-2526r-253Dgd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-2DP-2DpgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A-2526m-253DrvvKgjCdyxB3pmR8XX9sSUyDJj91jQ8He2RzBGLFsWE-2526s-253DwFYH-5FRV7rQLOGae55WLKa5Ve3lYcqfdera6gdLL3ajU-2526e-253D-26amp-3Bdata-3D04-257C01-257Csteven.z.queen-2540nasa.gov-257Ca17ab3bd8e1741159c6f08d909a08464-257C7005d45845be48ae8140d43da96dd17b-257C0-257C0-257C637551407289493580-257CUnknown-257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-253D-257C1000-26amp-3Bsdata-3DNmsOqa-252FLPqEGv893Voz5APCahCSgC0q-252FTIJZc1Mrrss-253D-26amp-3Breserved-3D0&d=DwMFAw&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A&m=9vN5yrwyJ43ZZVrBXc3heOGC341KYj6SU6iWv8c9l7w&s=B9eHffkdKCWVfMUYH6B6rLLGCPehok6sjus7c5um2ic&e=>
>
>
> A computing professional should...
> 1.1 Contribute to society and to human well-being, acknowledging that
> all people are stakeholders in computing.
>
> Similar statements exist in the ethics codes of other
> computing/informatics professional societies.
>
> Despite that fact that others have indicated that this, or other
> societal issues, are inappropriate for this list, and have threatened to
> unsubscribe, some discussion of this matter is appropriate and correct
> within the ACM code (and most other codes). This list does not conform
> to the codes from the former Third Reich, former USSR, present PRC,
> etc., for which any discussion of societal failings of the in-power
> control group persons is prohibited and often punishable by the
> government controlled by the relevant in-power group.
>
> On 4/27/21 9:49 AM, Queen, Steven Z. (GSFC-5910) wrote:
>> I don't think this list is an appropriate place for political
>> discussions. Hopefully an administrator will intervene.
>> If this continues, I will unsubscribe.
>>
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>> *From:* [log in to unmask]
>> <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Nico
>> Kadel-Garcia <[log in to unmask]>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 27, 2021 9:04 AM
>> *To:* LaToya Anderson <[log in to unmask]>
>> *Cc:* Andrew C Aitchison <[log in to unmask]>; Keith Lofstrom
>> <[log in to unmask]>; Mailing list for Scientific Linux users worldwide
>> <[log in to unmask]>
>> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Code bias video, watch it ASAP
>> On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 7:24 AM LaToya Anderson
>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Data does not remove bias. And one can and should both read the article and watch the movie.
>>>
>>> STEM Academy Instructor
>>
>> Data rather than mere exposition helps prevent bias. How do you refute
>> or counter unfair bias except with data?
>>
>> The movie is, itself, profoundly biased. It didn't explore at all why
>> a public housing project might benefit from cameras on the door of a
>> densely populated building with numerous poor, old, or unhealthy
>> tenants. The movie was an icon of "Critical Theory", portraying the
>> attempt to use science and engineering for social problems as a plot
>> against the oppressed.
>>
>> I've lived in scary neighborhoods of London. London accepts and
>> expects a degree of CCTV monitoring that is outrageous to Americans.
>> Sadly, citizens can't *get* the videos when a crime occurs, and
>> photographic evidence can be misused against the innocent. Been there,
>> done that, watched a London parking cop frame the photos they took to
>> document a parking ticket, really ticked him off when I very obviously
>> took photos at angles that showed the car was, in fact parked near a
>> sign that gave permission and curb markings that matched.
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