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Yasha Karant <[log in to unmask]>
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Yasha Karant <[log in to unmask]>
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For those of us one this list who are ACM members, I quote:

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.acm.org_code-2Dof-2Dethics&d=DwID-g&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A&m=rvvKgjCdyxB3pmR8XX9sSUyDJj91jQ8He2RzBGLFsWE&s=wFYH_RV7rQLOGae55WLKa5Ve3lYcqfdera6gdLL3ajU&e= 

A computing professional should...
1.1 Contribute to society and to human well-being, acknowledging that 
all people are stakeholders in computing.

Similar statements exist in the ethics codes of other 
computing/informatics professional societies.

Despite that fact that others have indicated that this, or other 
societal issues, are inappropriate for this list, and have threatened to 
unsubscribe, some discussion of this matter is appropriate and correct 
within the ACM code (and most other codes).  This list does not conform 
to the codes from the former Third Reich, former USSR, present PRC, 
etc., for which any discussion of societal failings of the in-power 
control group persons is prohibited and often punishable by the 
government controlled by the relevant in-power group.

On 4/27/21 9:49 AM, Queen, Steven Z. (GSFC-5910) wrote:
> I don't think this list is an appropriate place for political 
> discussions.  Hopefully an administrator will intervene.
> If this continues, I will unsubscribe.
> 
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> *From:* [log in to unmask] 
> <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Nico 
> Kadel-Garcia <[log in to unmask]>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 27, 2021 9:04 AM
> *To:* LaToya Anderson <[log in to unmask]>
> *Cc:* Andrew C Aitchison <[log in to unmask]>; Keith Lofstrom 
> <[log in to unmask]>; Mailing list for Scientific Linux users worldwide 
> <[log in to unmask]>
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Code bias video, watch it ASAP
> On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 7:24 AM LaToya Anderson
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Data does not remove bias. And one can and should both read the article and watch the movie.
>>
>> STEM Academy Instructor
> 
> Data rather than mere exposition helps prevent bias. How do you refute
> or counter unfair bias except with data?
> 
> The movie is, itself, profoundly biased. It didn't explore at all why
> a public housing project might benefit from cameras on the door of a
> densely populated building with numerous poor, old, or unhealthy
> tenants. The movie was an icon of "Critical Theory", portraying the
> attempt to use science and engineering for social problems as a plot
> against the oppressed.
> 
> I've lived in scary neighborhoods of London. London accepts and
> expects a degree of CCTV monitoring that is outrageous to Americans.
> Sadly, citizens can't *get* the videos when a crime occurs, and
> photographic evidence can be misused against the innocent. Been there,
> done that, watched a London parking cop frame the photos they took to
> document a parking ticket, really ticked him off when I very obviously
> took photos at angles that showed the car was, in fact parked near a
> sign that gave permission and curb markings that matched.

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