On Sat, Oct 05, 2019 at 01:25:32PM -0400, Larry Linder wrote:
>
> Centos 8 problems.
>
> 1. We noticed that the mouse wheel has changed direction - why after 40
> years. This should be removed.
>
"get used to it". Apple and Microsoft decreed that the mouse wheel should
go same direction as touch pad. never mind that it broke the scroll bars.
>
> 4. There does not appear to be a C Shell. We have 100's of usefull
> scripts that don't work. The man pages are there but no /bin/csh.
>
The "C-shell" was never liberated from the AT&T UNIX. What you though
was the C-shell, was actually the T-shell (tcsh). Maybe el8 forgot to
symlink /bin/csh -> /bin/tcsh.
>
> 5. We were able to install NVidea drivers but it still didn't work.
> You have a couple of commands to run to set default to nvidea driver.
> This is the only thing that has worked.
>
NVidia is spelled NVidia, with an "i".
>
> 6. When you drag a terminal to the desktop and click to select it. It
> rearranges all the other desktop terminal windows.
>
Dragging things ruins the floor finish, do not do it. Terminals are for typing,
if they were meant to be moved, they would be on wheels.
>
> 7. Focus follows the mouse was one of the most useful things when
> putting data into other documents or spreadsheets. Without it it makes
> doing my bank ledger almost impossible.
>
There was always a per-user setting to change this. Surely they did
not remove it in their always-war on users?
>
> 8. Simple things are now complicated and require 3 to 4 time more
> mousing around to accomplish a simple task.
>
You should try a Mac or Windows, even worse there.
>
> 9. After fixing the mouse direction we cannot even run "yum" Checked
> permissions and paths but bash can't find it.
>
Surely /usr/bin/yum works? But did they not replace yum with dnf? Or they
did but changed the name back to yum? And kept the package names as dot-rpm
but changed the compression method to ensure lack of compatibility with old
packages?
>
> 10 The neat little GUI that allowed you to set up users, groups,
> specify UID, home directory and shell for users is gone too. It all
> back to the command line.
>
Yup, the good old system-config-xxx GUIs have been disappearing one-by-one
with each release.
>
> 12 "fstab is now jiberish and the man pages have not changes. I need
> to add a couple of directories the install disk partitions the insall
> did not install.
>
It is not gibberish. It is "mount by UUID". (find 10 differences).
>
> 15 Setting up network and fixed IP's was a major major cammand line
> exercise. The old utility that made it easy is now gone.
>
Welcome to the world of nm-connection-editor and "vi /etc/sysconfig/files".
>
> 16 None of my CAD / CAM packages work! So there is nothing to plot.
>
I wonder if altera quartus works...
>
> 17 Last step is to reinstall SL 7.6 with KDE on text box and call it done.
>
s/SL_7.6/Ubuntu_LTS/
>
> I hate to say this:
> The most productive system in the shop is SL 5.11 running KDE 3.4.
>
IMHO, SL6 was the "peak linux" from Red Hat. Downhill from there.
>
> Centos 8 is a major loss to the engineering community!!!
>
Nobody uses RHEL/CentOS. Even at CERN, the home of "CERN Linux" (CentOS-based),
the developers of ROOT do not use it for their development.
>
> RedHat & Centos has laid a big Egg. The product should be recalled as a
> defective product as its basically useless.
>
Nah, you are just the "wrong user".
>
> I would advise anyone who is a unix / linux user to not even bother with
> installing it,
>
I will have to try it, cannot reject it without trying first-hand.
>
> If Red Hat were smart they would look at all the good stuff that has
> worked for years and make sure new OS included them and they would have
> a winner. They may not be fancy but they work.
>
Instead, we have systemd, a fight with ZFS, removal of NIS, removal of KDE, removal of ...
>
> Now if Apple made the Mac OS available at a reasonable cost Window 10
> and Linux would simply cese to exist.
>
Instead, Apple is killing MacOS by stopping to build computers. Look
at the latest offerings: keyboard partially replaced with an extra-hard-on-figers
glass touchpad, remaining keyboard keys mostly work (check the class-action lawsuit about
faulty keyboards), but Apple are looking at "making the keyboard more thin".
>
> You always have to remind your self it take time it costs money.
> If it a good product the customer will be on your door step with cash in
> hand. If there are no customers things will go cold and dark and you
> will become hungry.
>
They found another profit center - make cat-video machines for the mass
market (capture cat videos, post them on youtube; watch cat videos on youtube,
this is the full list of supported functions).
>
> Another weekend almost shot- I am going back to sleep.
>
Not for me. I am heading for this (today, dancing; tomorrow, playing the music)
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DduKis8cFhXk&d=DwIBAg&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A&m=pfzG3uuoqYjYPqIwza_-0fPiS-zqH6OlMSDK4cxCrdU&s=fpSVOrqYHsfvlRpkTsGbaR6Ge1LrHJGGt4Iy-Lvv9JU&e=
K.O.
> Larry Linder
>
> I reminds me of the release of Windows 3.0 in early 90's that only did
> business cards and nothing else. It was pretty short lived
> On Thu, 2019-10-03 at 17:24 -0700, [log in to unmask] wrote:
> > A quick search suggests there are some problems in this regard. Ideal is "don't
> > install the cloud related modules in the first place." If you have you can
> > uninstall or disable the cloud service initialization. If you have been running
> > awhile you may have to create new ssh etc keys. Installing the cloud "stuff"
> > apparently alters the keys.
> >
> > VMs are an excellent way to test the install process for these kinds of pitfalls
> > and find workarounds. They seem to be highly recommended.
> > {^_^} Joanne
> >
> > On 20191003 09:43:21, Dave Dykstra wrote:
> > > Larry,
> > >
> > > There are typically lots of rough edges for the first few point releases
> > > in RHEL major releases. They need people to test and report problems
> > > including instructions on how to reproduce the problems in order to get
> > > them fixed for later. I wouldn't expect it to be suitable for
> > > production use until 8.2 or 8.3.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 05:02:12PM -0400, Larry Linder wrote:
> > >> Nothing should be this hard to configure and set up.
> > >>
> > >> 1. The install did not recognize two other disks on system.
> > >> if you run "fs" you get a list of disks and a number of /tmp partitions.
> > >> When you try to edit "fstab" it is non-sensical. Didn't try to run
> > >> "mount" as the man pages are not what you see. !!!!
> > >>
> > >> 2. Video is basic VGA and it ignored my GForce dual monitor card.
> > >>
> > >> 3. Tried to install printers and didn't see "cups" even though I
> > >> selected it to install.
> > >>
> > >> 4. I tried to run a couple of our linux cad packages and bash could not
> > >> run the process. Permissions and ownership was Checked but no luck.
> > >>
> > >> 5. Even setting up the sytem name and UID to what we use on the other
> > >> systems had to be manually. Graphic network didn't give you a clue.
> > >>
> > >> 6. When it shuts down you have to pound on the key-board and try every
> > >> key and then after a long time it finally wakes up. Couldn't what key
> > >> did it.
> > >> Just don't have time to screw with it.
> > >>
> > >> After spending two days I gave up.
> > >> This whole think looks like a very low level business workstation for
> > >> the mentally challanged. Run my IBM computer the way I designed it or
> > >> just go away. You can only run my programs you can download. Most look
> > >> retarded such as "CHEESE" is there a connection between title and
> > >> function - its a major stretch of the immagination.
> > >>
> > >> It wants you use a cloud for everything - we don't want to use the cloud
> > >> for anything. Our internet provider sometimes takes a 1/2 hr nap during
> > >> the day. Its very fast when it works. (Spectrum) - AT&T in our
> > >> location was hopeless, bad service, bad price.
> > >>
> > >> For now we are going to upgrade all systems to SL 7.7 and then look for
> > >> a linux that is usefull for real engineering, manufacturing and
> > >> business.
> > >>
> > >> The labs should look at building there own.
> > >>
> > >> Any suggestions?
> > >>
> > >> I will go back to work and give up on centos 8. If I had purchased
> > >> RedHat 8 I would be really p****ed for getting ripped off.
> > >>
> > >> Larry Linder
> > >>
> > >
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