On 04/05/2016 06:34 PM, Yasha Karant wrote:
> Note that, unlike ELRepo folks with whom one can communicate via the 
> SL list (persons who even are willing to identify themselves, and not 
> "hide" behind some Bugzilla-like interface), EPEL seems much more 
> unwilling to discuss matters. Has an EPEL "maintainer" ever (recently) 
> posted/replied to the SL liist? I fully understand that the ELRepo 
> folks are (presumably) volunteers, and thus may have little real free 
> time to address such issues; hence, one should not pester them, 
> particularly from typical enthusiast "users". I suspect that EPEL 
> persons in part may, as with CentOS, now be paid by Red Hat, but I do 
> not know this for a fact. ...

EPEL is essentially Fedora on a project level; it's basically 'the 
Fedora packages that can be packaged for various RHEL-derived 
distributions packaged for those distributions.'  It's also typically 
(but not always) the Fedora package maintainer maintaining the EPEL 
package, and it is most useful to contact that person directly.  
Bugzilla is the preferred means of contact, since it tracks the issues 
in a far more accessible (to the packager) way; no one is 'hiding' 
behind BZ, it's just the preferred way to get issues reported, tracked, 
and addressed.  Discussion of the base packages would likely be on the 
fedora-devel list, since EPEL is something of a Fedora thing.  Smooge, 
please feel free to correct my inaccuracies there, since you are 
connected directly to that and I am not.

> On this point, a question.  I have been told (but not verified as a fact) that the Ubuntu equivalent to the main SL repository contains (all?) packages that one must, for any EL family distro, find on the master (SL, CentOS, etc.) repository and then hunt ELRepo, EPEL, and for some items, NUX and others (in which case I only enable software sources such as NUX during the actual installation of an RPM
> package that only is available in source or on  such a repository).
>

This is partially true.  The Ubuntu repos, thanks to the Debian 
parentage and repos, are vast and include a lot of packages. However, 
even in Ubuntu-land one must eventually use a personal repo, known as a 
'PPA.'  PPAs are where things get hairy really quickly with Ubuntu since 
the quality of dependencies and the resolution of same varies wildly 
between different PPAs.  This is one of the basic differences between 
the Ubuntu and the RHEL-derived (and related, such as Fedora) 
ecosystems.  There are many more.

Off-topic note on something else you said:  US Southeast dialect does 
indeed differentiate between second person singular personal pronouns 
and second person plural personal pronouns.  Since 'thou' (while very 
correct and still used in certain theological and formal circles) is 
fallen from common use, the US Southeast dialect generally always 
addresses a singular second person as 'you' and plural second persons as 
y'all or you'n's (that last one is most commonly pronounced as the 
single syllable 'yunz' and is common in the Appalachian highlands; it is 
a contraction of 'you ones,' thus the 'nz' ending.  Y'all is of course 
the contraction of 'you all' and is more of a Piedmont and coastal 
thing).  The dual number use of 'you' is more confusing than helpful, 
when differentiating between singular and plural in the second person 
really is required, and the US Southeast dialect resolves the ambiguity 
in a creative, distinctive, and perhaps even a 'charming' way.