For the immediate future, we plan to continue with SL 7.  When EL 8 
emerges, we may need to re-evaluate the situation.  That being stated, 
for non-CERN groups (that is, groups neither employed by CERN nor in one 
of the collider collaborations), is there a CERN equivalent to this SL list?
What "services" does [log in to unmask] provide?  I understand that 
for CERN groups, the service presumably is close to what RH provides to 
contract for-fee customers, with the proviso that the CS persons with 
CERN groups know what they are doing.  What is available to non-CERN 
groups/persons?  If this is information that is not relevant to the 
entire SL list, a private email would be appreciated.

On 01/13/2016 09:24 PM, Jaroslaw Polok wrote:
> If you use CERN CentOS 7 - please contact us at [log in to unmask] 
> in case you encounter problems, if you use CentOS 7 - please use centos
> mailing lists...
>
>>
>> Now CERN Linux el7 comes in and I see the machines installed as 7.1 
>> stay there,
>> no automatic update to 7.2. Odd.
>>
>> Then here, I see same with CentOS7 - no automatic updates by default, 
>> no automatic
>> updates to latest point release, 7.1 machines stay at 7.1. (I do not 
>> have any SL7 to compare)
>>
>> So I am puzzled by all this. Maybe I should ask google: "is centos7 
>> supposed to self update to latest point release?"
>
> In both cases you should get automatic updates to latest release 
> (while using default yum repository definitions), if this is not the 
> case: please report the problem.
>
>>
>>
>> Then I takes quite a bit of work to get automatic updates to work at 
>> all on CentOS7
>> (CERN el7 seems to be okey):
>>
>> a) The yum.cron package is crazy - each time I need to use yum, I 
>> have to wait
>> until it finishes some useless background tasks. Then "yum remove 
>> yum.cron" has
>> no effect because all the cron jobs are part of the main yum package. 
>> Go figure.
>>
>> b) the CERN yum-autoupdate package, which we use for SL6 updates, 
>> depends
>> on a yum plugin not available anywhere (except from a CERN repo) and 
>> then actually
>> does not work out of the box because of strange interaction with 
>> systemd - only works after a reboot.
>>
>> bb) then it does not send any email about updates - the el6 
>> yum-autoupdate did this,
>> where did this function go?!?
>
> again: if you encounter such problem(s) - please report.
>
>>
>> (Hmm... maybe I should try these auto update scripts from the SL7 
>> repository?)
>>
>>
>> So as they say, 1 step forward, 2 steps back.
>>
>>
>
> ... I think this discussion went totally off-topic for the SL mailing 
> list ..
>
> Best Regards
>
> Jarek