A  question -- please see below:

On 02/26/2013 02:17 PM, Connie Sieh wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 26 Feb 2013, Yasha Karant wrote:
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>> My understanding is that if the machine is licensed for MS Windows, then
>> the release and version for which it is so licensed can legally be run
>> under VirtualBox (or the equivalent):  Linux as the host OS, VirtualBox,
>> and then a fresh install from media of the licensed MS Windows.  I do
>> however, in most cases, remove the original works formatted MS Windows
>> hard drive for the same purpose mentioned below.
>>
>> Will VirtualBox run MS Win 8 assuming the eufi issue can be solved for
>> the host OS?
>
> The choices are either turn "secure boot off" or run a os/bootloader
> that has a signature that uefi knows about(Microsoft).  This assumes a
> uefi only i386/x86_64 motherboard.  The uefi is more complicated but at
> least there is a way to turn off "secure boot".
>
> Note that the Linux Foundation is sponsoring a effort to "create" a
> signed boot loader.  I do not think that TUV is planning on using this .

Assuming that a signed boot loader -- a MS eufi compliant grub -- is 
available, is there any reason that one cannot load such a boot loader 
over the TUV/SL version, and thus boot standard SL?

>
> No speak vmware.

Not vmware but licensed for free Virtual Box.  Assuming one can somehow 
bypass MS Win 8, as many of us did with MS Win Vista, moving from MS Win 
XP to MS Win 7 as the guest OS to run applications that are not 
available for open systems, will we still be shackled by a MS 
proprietary requirement (eufi)?  Probably a crystal ball question, and 
thus not open to an answer.  Is eufi required in those nation states in 
which MS was found to be a monopoly and forced to provide meaningful 
remedies?

>
> -Connie Sieh
>   >
>> At present, I am running SL 6x with VirtualBox running MS Win 7 -- and
>> dread having to do to MS Win 8 and all of the eufi nonsense --
>> particularly if I get a new laptop.
>>
>> Yasha Karant
>>
>> On 02/26/2013 11:04 AM, Ken Teh wrote:
>>> I never boot a new laptop into Windows.  I replace the original hard
>>> drive
>>> with a new one and install Linux on it.  This way I can put the original
>>> disk
>>> back in and never void my warranty.  You can then even sell it in its
>>> "original" state.
>>>
>>> Of course, this works only if you don't plan to use Windows.
>>>
>>> I use a $500 Lenovo X120e netbook.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 02/26/2013 11:26 AM, Scott_Gates wrote:
>>>> OK, If I needed a desktop, I'd just roll my own. Probably starting with
>>>>
>>>> something bare-bones from TigerDirect.
>>>>
>>>> I'm thinking of buying a new laptop, rather than just recycling old
>>>> ones,
>>>>
>>>> like I have been.
>>>>
>>>> I have HEARD there are issues with trying to install on computers with
>>>>
>>>> Windows8 already installed--the only source I have of "CHEAP" laptops.
>>>>
>>>> Basically a Wal-mart or Best-buy boxes that I can get in the
>>>> $250-$400 ra
>>>> nge.
>>>>
>>>> Does anybody have experience with this?  Yeah, I know I'll be
>>>> Voiding the
>>>>
>>>> Warranty--but, I need a laptop for real work--not socializing or net
>>>> flicking.  You know what I mean.
>>