Well, curriegrad, there are a few people who tend to infest Linux
distro lists that are fortunately not present here. They are
"beginners determined to stay beginners and are obnoxious about it."

Then there are the email format gurus who know there is one best way
to do things. That's missing here. The goal is making something work.
Now THAT is something technical people, scientists and to a lesser
degree technical science students feature in large measure. From
OUR standpoint that's the way it should be. For us that's the right
way. That doesn't seem to be the case on larger groups and lists.
<sigh>

{o.o}

On 2011/05/13 10:05, curriegrad2004 wrote:
> Sadly, this attitude is the plight of almost all OSS projects out
> there. Not to offend anybody, but attitude issues and this mentality
> that "I'm better than all of you guys" is just quite unacceptable.
> When I was starting out with CentOS, I had some questions regarding
> basic network routing and where I should save my iptables rules as I
> basically migrated right from Ubuntu (or was it OpenSuSE?, can't
> remember the grisly details). The response I got was quite...
> amusing... and I'd like to leave it that way if anybody wants to dig
> deeper. This all happened on their Freenode IRC channel, by the way.
>
> And yes, before I left that pit, I mentioned to them that it was quite
> ironic for them to have a page asking for donations while they're
> handing out attitude en masse to anybody who asks questions about the
> distro. A simple way to put this problem in a quote "You don't bite
> the people who support/feed you".
>
> Hey, everybody starts out as a beginner at some point, and the real
> simple rule is, don't bash them or make them feel unwelcome.
>
> If anybody's interested, they can always look at the DD-WRT forums,
> it's even more of a joke over there. There's a specific person out
> there giving attitude all day on their forums, yet nobody has cared to
> stop him from making those comments.
>
> On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Phil Perry<[log in to unmask]>  wrote:
>> On 13/05/11 08:09, jdow wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2011/05/12 21:52, Nathan Yehle wrote:
>>>>
>>>> SL got mentioned here:
>>>>
>>>> http://blog.2ndquadrant.com/en/2011/05/the-rise-and-fall-of-centos.html
>>>>
>>>> "Well, that party is over. Last week Dag publicly announced he was
>>>> resigning from CentOS development work, seemingly over development
>>>> team communication issues. In the comments there, Dag specifically
>>>> suggests Scientific Linux as the right distribution to move to now,
>>>> saying "their process is more open and the people are actually
>>>> friendly to feedback."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Still no centos 6 but SL6 is looks to be going strong thanks again! I
>>>> haven't had time to try SL6 yet but I hear it has some nice features
>>>> to share memory between kvm vms.
>>>>
>>>> -Nate
>>>
>>> Nate, after surviving over a decade of RedHat/Fedora, Mandrake/Mandriva,
>>> and Ubuntu groups this is the most civilized group I've run across in
>>> the Linux world. (Mint is not bad. But, it's tainted by Ubuntu.)
>>>
>>> Even the BSD groups I visted are more civilized than the nain Linux
>>> groups. And as I say, so far this group stands head and shoulders over
>>> all the other related groups I've monitored.
>>>
>>> Kudos folks.
>>> {^_^} Joanne Dow
>>>
>>
>> IMHO I suspect that's largely an academic thing. [Some] UNIX/Linux ML
>> mentality versus the typical academics instinct to share knowledge and
>> assist others couldn't be further apart.
>>
>> Most scientists by definition are bright people and don't tend to feel the
>> need to constantly prove themselves on public mailing lists.
>>
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